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Creationism vs Evolution

So, what do YOU belief? Is there a Supreme Being? Or is life simply the result of evolution? Creationism has gotten a lot of flack from evolutionists, however evolution is just as difficult to factually prove as creationism. So, which is true? C

Posted By eastwind on September 18, 2007

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Evolution or Adaptations does exist. Creatures CHANGE to fit their envi...

Posted By DiamondLips on September 21, 2007

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Evolutions have many flaws. One is that Life started from nothing at on...

Posted By eastwind on September 19, 2007

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there is actual scientific evidence that supports the theory of evolutio...

Posted By jhall85 on September 19, 2007

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Creationism has more validity than evolution. There is an order everywh...

Posted By Kliflosises on September 19, 2007

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Obviously Creationism is the truth here, there is too much in this world alone that proves there is

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Creationism has more validity than evolution. There is an order everywhere. Order = Intelligence

-- Posted By Kliflosises on September 19, 2007

There are too many reoccurring laws in nature for life to be random. The golden section for instance occurs everywhere in life. That denotes an organized universe. Order is intelligence and therefor there is an overseeing government.

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You are a BRAIN-WASHED imbecile who has been misled all your life...

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Calling people names shows your autism. The Bible has a name for people like you in many places it's called "the fool." Don't be,examine what's around you because your actually the one brainwashed and not seeing the designs all around you. LOOK AGAIN, look again. Romans 1, men are without excuse. God loves you and i do too.
Did you seriously call someone autistic based on them resorting to name calling? Do you even know what autism is?
The bible is the greatest load of idiocy I have ever encountered. Don't go saying that I've never read it, because I have, I just haven't bothered memorizing where a bunch of useless passages are. The bible labels people who do not believe in God or his word as 'fools.' Are you aware that some of the greatest minds of our time were Atheists or otherwise? If it weren't for many of these 'fools' your life would be far more difficult because you would have less than half of the things you use today, in fact, many historians believe there wouldn't even be a USA.
Looking around me, I do not see design. I see a bunch of mismatched crap. If the human body is perfect, why do we have so many useless parts? There are muscles we don't even use in our chest, ears, and legs. What about the appendix, what exactly was your omnipotent deity thinking there? 'Gee, I'll just slap this little tail on here. What good fun that will be.' When I baby is born with its heart outside its body, is that god's divine and loving work? When a baby is born with its upper lip fused to its nose, is that him also? When a baby is born with its lungs too small for it to breathe, is God telling the world, 'I love you all oh so much.' I don't understand how a perfect, omnipotent all loving being can perform such atrocities.
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Evolutions have many flaws. One is that Life started from nothing at one point. What wasn't was.

-- Posted By eastwind on September 19, 2007

"The cell needs all its basic parts with their various functions, for survival; therefore, if the cell had evolved, it would have meant that billions of parts would have had to come into existence at the same time, in the same place, and in order.

Evolution might have evidence, but not enough to validate it, and definatly not MORE evidence that Creationism. the thing is, self research on this topic is lengthy or EITHER side.

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Are you fucking kidding me? Creationism is more credible than evolution?!?!? Obviously you are not very educated! There is proof of evolution. I want some proof of this god person! There is none! Morons!
Here's a TEST:

Remove "THE BIBLE" and "YOUR CHURCH" from the equation. Where is your evidence?

The Bible has been proven to be - at least misinterpreted legends and mythology - if not downright plagiarism from the birth, life, death, and rebirth of the legend of OSIRIS!

Your CHURCH is most likely one that takes "offerings" and "saves" people and bases 90% of its practices and teachings on THE BIBLE or those who wrote things based on THE BIBLE - or even those who wrote things based on the things written by those inspired by THE BIBLE...

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If you remove the Bible your still see design patterns in all, not just some things, men are without excuse; that's with the Bible or without. Most will go to hell outside the Church as well as inside the church. It is not because God hasn't prepared a way of escape He has! It's because of stubborn, stupid pride so many will be lost. Don't be check out the facts again about the Bible, you have been lied to. For starters gather your facts as to who and whom and where was the Bible proven wrong, what formula did they use. No scientific discovery has ever, ever gone against the Bible. When they argued in the past about the earth's shape in the book of Job the oldest- it stated the earth as a sphere; if they had read that back then there wouldn't have been an argument. No check your facts again. Once you in Hell there is no escape. (just the facts). God loves you and so do i.
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Facts

-- Posted By HairSprayAddict on March 6, 2009

The Creation theory is displayed at the very beginning of the Bible - starting at Genesis 1:1. By many believers, this account was never questioned. For some, it remains definite. Why does man exist? Because God created him.

Evolutionists, however, pose a different theory. Charles Darwin fathered the evolution theory, which he first proposed in the 1930s. Ever since, people have been arguing about which version of events is actually the correct one.

“Modern” Christianity is almost one thousand years old, making evolution, by comparison, a newfangled idea. History seems to support the creation theory - perhaps more people have believed in this longer. The court system, however, does not.

Circuit Court, District Courts and even the U.S. Supreme Court have made definitive decisions on the creation versus evolution issue. In 1987, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that it is “unconstitutional” for Louisiana schools to teach the evolution theory only when accompanied by the creation theory, “creation science,” as it undermines education. (Edwards v. Aguillard 482 U.S. 578)

The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that a school district was well within its rights to prohibit teachers from instructing in creation science, which advocates religion. (Webster v. New Lenox School District #122, 917 F. 2d 1004).

Many more cases and many more decisions could easily be presented, but they all add up to the same thing: the creation theory, however it is labeled, has no place in public schools. The evolution theory, however, is considered to be more than acceptable curriculum. Some religion experts will even agree that evolution is an undeniable fact (“Creation or Evolution? Yes! Interview by Stan Guthrie,” Christianity Today, January 12, 2007).

The evolution theory, is considered to be a theory in name only. Scientific experts seem to largely agree that it is a cold, hard fact. And though not all aspects of evolution and the history of evolution are fully understood, overwhelming evidence shows that it is more than a mere idea (“Evolution is a Fact and a Theory,” Laurence Moran, January 22, 1993).

Science, reason and fact support the side of evolution - even some of the highly religious will do the same. Faith often supports the side of Creation - but when held up against certain undeniable facts, even faith can fall flat. In fact, the Catholic Church itself has admitted that Evolution can have a place in religion, too (“Evolution and faith complementary: Cardinal Levada,” CathNews, March 5, 2009). There actually is no argument between creation versus evolution - evolution is a fact, creation is a belief and there is no comparison between the two.

"Evolution is a Fact and a Theory,” Laurence Moran, January 22, 1993)."

It's 2009. They did not have the human genome mapped yet. Point made.

"Ever since, people have been arguing about which version of events is actually the correct one."

No, the theory has survived over 150 years in the meritocratic academic arena. No one is arguing about it anymore except for creationists and intelligent design believers, who do not have more than a hih school education in science.

"There actually is no argument between creation versus evolution - evolution is a fact, creation is a belief and there is no comparison between the two."

Yes, there are so many fallacies in creationism that it is laughable- which is exactly what we do: laugh at it. Yes it is a belief and you can believe whatever you want. For example, you can believe riledup.com is not a website, but in reality, it is.
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Darwin or God??? A choice of beliefs.

-- Posted By jedwa71 on March 12, 2009

I would like to ask a simple question. Has any one discovered the missing link? The answer is NO. Is there any step by step trails of evolution of any creature? Without "factual" evidence to support Darwinism in a scientific manner the question is, is Darwinism true or real?. Science is proof/evidence isn't it? So with that aren't you Darwinists following your beliefs? So why do crucify (all puns intended) us the Creationists? Faith is the question do you have faith in Darwin's evilution (yes I spelled it that way think about it...)or do you have faith in God. Make mine God at least I know where I will end up in the end.

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I believe God exists. Even if evolution exists on some level, it was in God's plan all along.

-- Posted By Perdie on September 19, 2007

God created all that exists and he set them in motion. I am not intimidated by studying evolution because I know that it really doesn't matter. As long as God is in his Heaven, all is as it was meant to be.

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That's nice, but just because you believe something doesn't make it true. Though you believe in God, there is no proof that he exists. Just like there is no proof of Creationism.
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It makes it true for you, and really who else matters in life but yourself?
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Never changes

-- Posted By adriansgrandma on August 18, 2008

Have you ever wondered why evolution changes on a daily basis "it seems", because there really is no concrete proof that it is the answer,creationism on the other hand never changes it has been the same sence the beginning of time, and will continue to be the same until the end. WHY, because it is the truth, and the truth shall set you free!

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Amen!!!!!!!!!!!
Evolution changes for a reason, we are learning more and more about it every day. Creationism doesn't change, because there is nothing more to learn other than the one book that supports it's existence. Once a creationist learns that one book cover to cover, he will quickly find that there is no more supporting evidence for his theory other than "because I say so." Furthermore, to think that nomadic cavemen knew more 2000 years ago than the world's top scientist know today is ridiculous. I don't care how long an idea has been around, I only care about the truth. People believed that women were inferior to men for thousands of years, would you like to defend that argument? Just because you don't fully understand something doesn't mean it isn't real. If the pope said the world was flat would you believe it? If the church decreed that the sun revolves around the earth would you believe that? By the way, both of those things happened. We as a society tried the "don't question, just have faith" mentality. It lead to such joyous periods as the Dark Ages, the Crusades, and the Inquisitions. If you would like to recreate those times, keep voting republican and giving the church 10% of your money like a good slave. I mean christian.
However, i do agree.
"and the truth shall set you free!"
Now if only the people in power would stop lying to the stupid, we could move forward as a society. When responding please remember, "Because I say so," is not an intelligent argument.
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guys be reasonable

-- Posted By ebraheem on April 19, 2009

if the wasn't a maker for this world how would it bo created in the beginning , moreover i we are all evolouting why do i look like my grandfather i should have been changed by now

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Scientific Evidence

-- Posted By PreachingRooster on June 24, 2009

If you call nothing to bang then soup. Then earth scientific evidence. I call it Hog Wash. For it was God created Earth and the whole creation in 7 days no science can disprove that if so. SHOW ME!

How can anyone deny the facts given in behalf of evolution? They're everywhere!

Diamond

Evolution or Adaptations does exist. Creatures CHANGE to fit their environment. Look at this link.

-- Posted By DiamondLips on September 21, 2007

There is a common argument by creationists that there is no "in between" species in what we call our ancestry line. .

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Evolution - A scientific theory

-- Posted By eatadino on August 13, 2008

In science a theory is a testable model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise verified through empirical observation

Evolution IS a theory (by definition)... that is the whole arguement against religious ideas. Science comes up with ideas and is willing to test them and keep testing them again and again...and if they find something is wrong with it they are willing to say it is wrong and find the correct theory. It is THAT scientific method that brings credence to evolution and pulls it away from creationism which cannot test its ideas..they say it is so it must be. Science says it is and they experiment to see if it really is!

Be proud of calling evolution a theory because it shows that you really want to know what is going on and you want your belief to be based on facts not faith.

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evidence

-- Posted By RCpowerU on October 8, 2008

there is just too much evidence weighted against religion.

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What evidence have you examined! You people need to challenge your beliefs because of what your told in the same non-hypocritical way you say religious people are brainwashed to believe. At least in the Bible God tells us to examine all things, you guys are not doing this because you would find way too much truth in the scriptures to just dismiss it as fairytales and lies. God love you and so do i!
Mr. Book, how do you know that these people have not challenged their beliefs? Most people who are rational enough to believe in what makes sense over what they're told, are also rational enough to consider what they are told regardless of how absurd it sounds.

Well, for the bible telling people to examine all things, there sure as hell aren't a lot of Christians examining. I have read the bible, and I assure you that while it is an interesting story, I have read far more believable things from J.R.R Tolkien and Chuck Palahniuk. I see no truth in the scriptures. If I see anything, it is nothing but a collection of stories written as metaphorical lessons, unfortunately too many of its followers are too thick headed to wrap their heads around that and instead take them literally.

Here's what your religion sounds like when you really boil it down:
Your god wants you to do everything he says, but if you don't you will be submitted to eternal suffering beyond all imagination. But he loves you very very much.
God is simultaneously himself and his own father and impregnated a woman to give birth to himself so that he could save us from himself.
God makes you live a life before lifting you to heaven or casting you in to hell even though he already knows how every nanosecond of your life will play out.

Also, please tell me how an omnipotent being who is also omniscient can change his mind. If God knows everything, he knows every decision he will ever make, so he knows everything he will ultimately do. Is he capable of changing his mind from what he knows will happen, and is he capable of surprising himself? Also, can God create a boulder he cannot lift? If he can, he is not omnipotent, if he can't, he's not omnipotent.
Omnipotence is an impossible concept.

Is God willing to prevent evil, but unable? Then he is not omnipotent. Is God unwilling, but able? Then he is malevolent. Is God willing and able? Then where cometh evil? Is he unwilling and unable? Then why call him God?

Also, if God has a plan for you, then how exactly can you have free will?

The fact that you tell everyone you debate that you love them is absurd. You cannot love someone you have never met. Love requires time, effort and compassion. Love is the most powerful feeling on the planet, and people like yourself make it seem like it's nothing but a trivial emotion. It sickens me.
Well brother examine the facts if you seek the truth you will find! God wants us to find the truth more than we want to. Start out at Genesis, everything from Genesis is confirmed in everyday life today. It's says man sinned against God and became rebellious we are! Cain killed his brother this happens all the time, man killing man. Adam and Eve ate from the tree of knowledge, this is our greatest quest a thirst for knowledge. Solomon the wisest man ever asked for knowledge from God, he could have asked riches our second quest; he got that too. You will be like God also, we want that also, there right to rule your life. Did the tower of Babel actually happen? Well, how do you explain all the different languages? how do you explain the fault line all over the world? THE FLOOD MY FRIEND! God is not a dictator, He gave Adam freedom and he made a mess of things! We do the same in ours with our freedoms1 we serve ourselves not God or man. So were no Heavenly good nor are we earthly good either. No God doesn't want to rule us but wants in on our lives to help steer us to heaven. Left to our own devices we surly will make a mess of our lives or someone else. I love God but don't see Him! and i certainly could have love for a dog or person i've never met, even across the world. God's plan is to help your life with the advantages He posses, we are His vested interest and He see what's ahead. God bless!
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We have the fossils. We win.

-- Posted By HltrSkltr on August 18, 2008

Come on. This is ridiculous. Yes, evolution is a theory. So is gravity. The definition of theory in science is much different from the definition of theory in the rest of the world. There is PROOF of evolution! Where's the proof of creationism? Um...there is none.

Name ANYTHING in creation that doesn't grow because it was a seed, including yourself. All seeds have to be planted and you have to wait for it to mature! We don't need for things to evolve, we have seeds for everything to grow. Check your facts again. Remember one thing, only lies can be manipulated not truth because it never changes. God loves you and so do i!
How about asexual reproduction? Many sea creatures, such as sponges, do not need another creature in order to reproduce. They simply split in a sort of 'clone' of themselves. I think that falls under the category of what you say does not exist.
I just remembered that some animals, such as sharks, are capable of 'virgin births.' A shark in an aquarium in Virginia gave birth to a live baby when it hadn't been in contact with a male shark in over eight years. After DNA fingerprinting, it was determined that the baby had no DNA contribution from a father. This isn't just a one time shark messiah thing either, it's been seen before. It's called parthenogenesis.
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How can anyone deny my scientific findings?! What ignorance is this?

-- Posted By CharlesDarwin on April 11, 2009

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The "Theory of evolution" is fact

-- Posted By Steviejeep on August 10, 2008

I hear time and time again the creationist argument that evolution is just a "theory" and i just want to set the record straight. Evolution is a fact, it did happen, it is still happening. The "theory" is so called because it describes the way in which the worlds top scientist believe that life on earth came to be. There is no argument in the scientific community over "did evolution occur." The only arguments being had are "how did it occur. Those facts being stated, here is my opinion: at the time the bible was written, the earth was flat, virgins were sacrificed, and the leading medical treatment was blood letting. As humans in the evolutionary world, we must let our ideas evolve as well as our practices and technologies. At the time, creationism was the best answer we had. Now that we have evolved for a few thousand years, we have come up with a more logical answer than a magical being that lives in the sky. As always, Intelligent arguments welcome.

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I think that there is proof of adaptation (example moths changing colors to fit into their environment), but researchers agree that evolution has its flaws. There are no satisfactory "transitional" species. There isn't a step by step example either. Anyone who can look at existence and NOT see a governing order is blind. Order denotes intelligence, and an intelligence that controls, organizes, and creates the existence that we live in (through whatever means) is to be a Divine being comparing us to Him.
Evolution IS a theory (by definition)... that is the whole arguement against religious ideas. Science comes up with ideas and is willing to test them and keep testing them again and again...and if they find something is wrong with it they are willing to say it is wrong and find the correct theory. It is THAT scientific method that brings credence to evolution and pulls it away from creationism which cannot test its ideas..they say it is so it must be. Science says it is and they experiment to see if it really is!

Be proud of calling evolution a theory because it shows that you really want to know what is going on and you want your belief to be based on facts not faith.
What researchers do you speak of? Who funds their work? What is their political agenda? Please site examples of any "scientist" you know of who disagree with evolutionary theory so I can take my argument up with them directly. Anyone in any position of power, or who claims any scientific prowess, and tells you that evolution isn't a fact is furthering their bias political agenda. Read the notes, check the references, find out the facts and decide for yourself. Anyone who has the desire to find out the real good word can do so, and the more you educate yourself, the more apparent the truth becomes. Unfortunately there are many people in this country who have only read one good book.
"They must find it difficult... those who have taken authority as the truth, Rather than truth at the authority."
-G. Massey, Egyptologist
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there is actual scientific evidence that supports the theory of evolution.

-- Posted By jhall85 on September 19, 2007

evolution might still be a theory but at least there is some hard, scientific evidence. creationism is simply superstitious speculation. .

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there is actual scientific evidence that supports the theory of evolution.

-- Posted By jhall85 on September 19, 2007

evolution might still be a theory but at least there is some hard, scientific evidence. creationism is simply superstitious speculation. .

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Why does it have to be one or the other?

-- Posted By shullrd on April 27, 2009

Evolution can be observed in the laboratory using a microscopic and bacteria samples developing resistance to anti-bacterials and it can be seen in the fossil record. There is too much evidence that creatures have adapted over time and that this adaptation has in many cases led to new species altogether. We also know that species which have failed to adapt have gone extinct when conditions no longer favored them (i.e. dinosaurs, unless they evolved into birds).

That said, why is it not possible that God created the world and used evolution as the mechanism for creation? I have always believed that science tells me how things happen and religion tells me why they happen. I do not see this as a debate between creationism and evolution, but rather as an opportunity to see them as a cohesive whole.

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